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treat and and you'll you'll understand

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why i had to bump off the outlandish

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corner this evening

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you guys ready okay i'm going to

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introduce my guest so walter bosley has

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spent almost 20 years in national

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security investigations and operations

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and is currently a licensed private

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investigator

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bosley founded his own publishing label

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in o2 and has since written eight works

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of fiction

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and nine non-fiction books holy cannoli

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that's a lot more than me um bosley

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dabbles in micro budget indie filmmaking

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and he has also appeared on history

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channels ancient aliens mysteries of

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national parks on the travel channel

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and his magazine articles have appeared

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in world explorer magazine and fate

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magazine you guys should know those ones

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all right so awesome bosley's most

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recent works are shimmering light

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lost in an mk ultra house of anu and

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destination

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carcosa i hope that's how you say it and

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ambrose beerus and the empire of the

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wheel everybody give a round of applause

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to

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walter bosley

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walter

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have a seat

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how are you doing this evening

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great how are you

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life is fantastic and hot it's very hot

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right now

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we're having see we're having really

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nice cool weather right now so you guys

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got all our heat i guess

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we're in california i did hear that i

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have a lot of friends over there and

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they're like seventies i'm like

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i would see for the last several years

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we've had these darn 99 degree

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halloweens that we're getting tired of

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but uh if it stays like this you know

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it might be nice

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that is wow that's pretty cool and no

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wildfires right no wildfires i don't

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want those right not lately

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my goodness so well that's well that's

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good to hear so do tell you oh my gosh

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you've been in this for a long time i

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mean you started your publishing company

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in o2

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what possessed you i i know what

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possessed me to write my first book in

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97. so

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what possessed you to perk up and say i

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better write this thing

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um

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my first love was cinema and i started

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making you know little film super 8

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films in junior high and through high

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it was really

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english

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was always my best subject in school

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so by the time i got into high school i

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started taking writing seriously

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at the same time i was doing filmmaking

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i started writing screenplays and

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started taking that seriously when i was

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high school through college and even in

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my early days in my career

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doing that other stuff i continued to

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write screenplays and would try to sell

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them and stuff and so after all these

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years of writing writing writing um

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i get into

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really what was my best money-making job

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so i you know was thinking ah you know

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maybe i ought to uh

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you know throw some of this money at

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one of my passions

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and originally in o2 i

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was kind of inspired or moved to do a

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i thought well

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why just a magazine why not a publishing

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company and in that same year i had gone

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on two trips to

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central mexico

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with david childress and

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you know the adventures unlimited

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year and i looked at david childress's

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working model for aup and what he does

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and i said you know what i'd kind of

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like to do the take the same working

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model and apply that to fiction so

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that's how i stood up lost a continent

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library in o2 started out purely as you

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know adventure adventure pulp fiction

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holy smokes

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well that's that's quite a feat so

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i i don't know about you but it's like

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when when i go to sit and write a book

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and write when i think hey i don't think

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i'll ever have to write another one i

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think i got all it all out just now and

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it's like nope i didn't i got to do

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another one so right and then you have

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always like a manuscript or five sitting

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around so how many have you not

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let's see i had

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screenplays over the years through

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college and then do you know the course

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of my other career

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particular ones that i had written and

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then i wrote uh three or four more

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that i've been turning into my pulp

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novels that i've been coming out with

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and so those were literally manuscripts

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laying around that i just in the cases

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of the scripts i just adapted them

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to uh novels but i had published um a

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couple of novels previously

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uh i've pretty much except for a couple

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of cases i think i've run out of the

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ones that have been laying around

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i i think i think except for two

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i've converted them all and got them out

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there so i i'm gonna have to be starting

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some fresh stuff here pretty soon on the

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fiction front

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oh wow my goodness now the in the

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non-fiction yeah

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i don't think i don't put it's out there

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just to have a book out there um

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the research i've done

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yes sometimes when i'm in the middle of

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one book i realize okay wow i've

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stumbled upon some other information

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here and i'll set that aside for a book

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later that's what happened with the

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ambrose beers book i was working on the

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richard francis burton book secret

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missions 2 and i stumbled upon the

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beerus material that motivated me to

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write that and i set that aside for like

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went back to it but i i never have like

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i don't have this plan

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where i see my next five non-fiction

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and i sure as heck don't

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crank it out just to have a book out all

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of my books so far knock on wood have

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been truly inspired by the research

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well it's starting from the beginning of

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these nonfiction books so what what was

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that first one and what was the topic

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ah the first one was latitude 33 key to

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the kingdom and that actually happened

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out of a conversation i was having with

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greg bishop on his podcast and

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we were talking about why is club 33 the

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the kind of it used to be more exclusive

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but it still kind of is because it's

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expensive to be a member of club 33 but

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it's the exclusive membership restaurant

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in disneyland here in anaheim and it's

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called club 33 and we were just yapping

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about why is it called club 33 so you

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know on air we start you know

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going on googling this that and the

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other and we discovered that night that

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disneyland is at the uh 33rd degree

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of latitude

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you know what comes with that as your

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listeners probably know

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is or you know the ancient pyramids and

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all these other weird it's in that zone

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of weirdness around the planet

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yeah and and what got us started on

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talking about weirdness at disneyland

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was an experience i had there very

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strange experience back in 1981 that had

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haunted me for years well between that

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haunting me for years

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and this conversation with greg bishop

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on his show when we discovered the

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latitude 33 thing i realized you know

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what i need to write a book about this

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and that became my first non-fiction

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book which i think was first released in

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wow that's fascinating i i've i've not

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heard of this club 33 i i almost wanted

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to be a member when you said disney but

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now i'm i'm backing up i i really am um

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wow i swell mickey's not our friend

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that's the i mean are we talking about

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dark stuff or we're talking about

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mystical stuff well mystical because

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actually what the book is about is the

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esoteric engineering

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uh physical engineering that went into

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the park what i discovered you know blew

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it and it's not an anti-disney book at

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all it's not one of those walt disney

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with an evil guy books at all

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in fact in my research i dug out and

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found out that walt disney was never a

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mason

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i'll say that again because i constantly

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get people you know walt disney was not

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a mason he had been in demolay in high

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school which is yes masonic affiliated

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he he was never made a mason i am a

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mason so i know how to ask i was just

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going to say what's so evil about them

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you know it makes sense i i know people

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in my family that were

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yeah it's you know um well you know on

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the higher deeper levels there are some

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issues people have been known to use

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masonry for nefarious purposes but but

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you know christianity too i mean they

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killed people didn't they you know yeah

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um so uh you know walt disney was never

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amazing that's one of the things i found

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out but the more interesting thing what

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the book is about is i discovered that

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the guy who designed

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the physical disneyland who engineered

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the disney's met at sri the stanford

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research institute now those are the

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guys involved with the creation of

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scientific remote viewing and all sorts

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of other interesting weird esoterica and

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was very much into

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phenomena and things like that and

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he he was hired away from sri by the

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disney's to be the chief engineer of

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disneyland and what my book does is it

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presents all the stuff that's in

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disneyland that most people don't

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realize is very mystical and hermetic

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and and occultic not in a bad way i mean

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it alchemically and uh

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and it gets into the history of this guy

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and his engineering of the park and my

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theory that disneyland itself physical

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disneyland was designed to be a

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psychotronic device and the operative

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mechanism that made it all work was the

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carousel but when they redesigned

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fantasyland the carousel was moved

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several feet back

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and i think that disengaged the device

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that the park is because it sat on what

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um

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has been suggested to me by a guy who

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provides me with this information on

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telerik currents on the intersection of

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three to lure currents or popularly

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called ley lines but that is technically

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an incorrect term but the you know the

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three currents of earth grid energy

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um

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apparently intersect right there in

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disneyland in fantasyland and the

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carousel used to sit right on top of

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that intersection it does not anymore

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and the boat gets into

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changes in the park since then

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but that's what the disneyland book is

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all about and of course i i i discussed

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my weird experience i had there and how

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that ties in with these other things i'm

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talking about regards

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is the book it's not titled the happiest

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place on earth and here's why i'm just

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it kind of goes into that it's like

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here's why it was

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um but yeah it's it's latitude 33 key to

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the kingdom uh the the

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oh i'd have to look on the darn cover of

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the book i think the hermetic

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engineering of the happiest place on

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earth or something like that

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i'll walk over here to my shelf and pull

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the book off and take a look it is

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latitude 33 key to the kingdom the

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arcane science and hermetic engineering

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of the happiest place on earth that's

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the title ah nice well i mean you have

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too many books you're allowed to you

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know not remember 100 all of it i mean

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even i i only have six books out and i'm

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like what was that subtitle

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so i get it i get it so

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and then book two so we're creeping up

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your your your bookshelf here

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what was that on non-fiction

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oh

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that was um

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when i kicked off the empire of the

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wheel books because about the time that

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i was finishing up my investigation on

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disneyland

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and working on that book i

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was

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i had fallen headlong into

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some very deep weirdness

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as a result of remote viewing

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as a matter of fact

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and

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i had

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i i i was actually following up on the

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disneyland research because one of these

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three taller currents i talked about

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intersecting in the park

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two of them actually they they if you

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follow them um

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out of the park in the northeastern

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direction

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what we call the inland empire out here

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californians out here will will know

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what i mean it's east of where

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disneyland is it's

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it's about halfway between palm springs

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and los angeles

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two of these lines that intersect at

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disneyland pass through this area okay

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and so

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i wanted to

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research if there was any

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strange you know relative phenomena that

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have been reported in the area and

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that's when i learned about a a haunting

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reports of a haunting

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at the local mall that that's been

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around here since 1967 called the inland

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center

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so when i went to follow up on that

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i met a librarian

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um ann walker

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who

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introduced me to the cora stanton

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mystery she's the one that

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had posted the ghost stories she told me

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the very interesting tales of the the

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the lady ghost

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that haunted one of the department

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stores i talked about that in the in the

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first empire the wheel book she said go

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to the library look up the old newspaper

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reports you'll see there's something

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funny going on

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and sure enough i agreed with her not

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only did i think something funny was

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going on i found six other deaths that

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happened within days or weeks

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of this mystery woman named cora

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stanton's death

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and i you know my gut instinct as an

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investigator and just as a person was

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there was some type of serial murders

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going on here this is very sacrifices it

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sounds like my goodness exactly and boy

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from there

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i just

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i dived into it

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and

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there was just uh esoteric mystical

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alchemical um dark occult stuff you name

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it

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that was just jumping out of these

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reports and it had not been talked about

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or written about by anyone for almost

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100 years it was as if it was something

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that san bernardino wanted deeply buried

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and i think they still do

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because you know i've had some

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interesting reactions from

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some places here when i was

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investigating i've been followed

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you know i was followed from you know

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around my neighborhood i i had you know

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someone at the coroner's office act

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really uh weird in a hostile manner

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towards me

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when i was you know requesting a nearly

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100 year old report just really

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interesting stuff and and anyway all of

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that led to the first empire the wheel

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book

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and then

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the one you know as i pulled more thread

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that really that ended up expanding into

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three books

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holy smokes so

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well i don't know any city that wants to

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shed light on uh blood and torture

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people you know so i get it it's like

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he's gonna break down our population

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everybody's going to want to move out or

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something right

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and you know

448
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also when i was investigating the first

449
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book early on

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um i had stumbled upon the stuff that

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led to

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when i was investigating the first time

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for the wheel book um you know i was

454
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talking about how when i was doing the

455
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burton book the beers book emerged out

456
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of that research well the secret

457
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missions one about juan cabrillo

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that emerged out of the empire of the

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wheel investigation

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and that kind of sat there for a while

461
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until i could get to it so um

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really

463
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and i discovered this as i went along

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and i've said this before recently

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all my non-fiction books have a

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legitimate thread of connection when you

467
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when you when you when you read them all

468
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you see that there is

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this thread of connection to all of them

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i had a feeling and looking at the books

471
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that i have here of yours it's like

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i mean a person just doesn't start off

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where you where you're at right now

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it's just like hold on you know

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in fact let's let's touch on that so

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shimmering light lost in an mk ultra

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house of a

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do tell

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let's

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what the heck is is going on with

481
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in general or in the case of what i'm

482
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writing about with my dad well yeah

483
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you know what i'll let you decide

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whichever you think is most relevant to

485
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to help explain to the audience

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how to even decipher

487
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yeah i think a lot of people are

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familiar with or have heard of mk ultra

489
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basically

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it was the program

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by the time it was called mk ultra i

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believe we were into the 1950s

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it was

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a

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wow

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how do you thumbnail this it was a

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psychological

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science

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uh program

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that was stood up by

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the cia

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okay

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um

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as a product a byproduct of

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the um the same kind of research

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that had started

507
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with the operation paperclip scientists

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that came from germany okay now mk ultra

509
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was actually the pursuit

510
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ultimately

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to find a way to create a mind

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controlled assassin

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that's what the cia that was big picture

514
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what they were trying to do now there

515
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were byproducts that came off of this

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one of them was learning how to erase

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people's memories

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one of the biggest ways they use this

519
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was through uh intense hypnosis okay

520
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,080
they they were trying to pursue

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being able to create and control

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an assassin who wouldn't know what he or

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she was doing as an assassin

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when they were in their normal

525
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state okay their normal state of mind

526
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but just like in the film the manchurian

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candidate they wanted to be able to have

528
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a trigger okay

529
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um a word or or whatever

530
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to

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turn the switch on so that that

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particular assassin could be operational

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go do his or her job and then when they

534
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were done they could turn the switch off

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and when the switch was off the person

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theoretically

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could just go about their business in

538
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their life and they wanted to do this

539
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for what we call operational security

540
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just to ensure that it was classified

541
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you know because the assassin if they

542
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don't remember it

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um when they're when the switch is off

544
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then you know they won't be talking this

545
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was the goal this was the objective and

546
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in that they did all sorts of crazy

547
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,960
things that ended up being very heinous

548
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things one of the things they played

549
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with was

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psychedelic drugs okay this is where lsd

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came from

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00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,679
they were going around the cia guys

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00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,480
testing lsd on uh

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witting

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subjects at one point you can read about

556
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the adventures of the party house that

557
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they had in san francisco where they

558
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would just invite a bunch of different

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people

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and they had the lsd in an aerosol can

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and they would just spray this in the

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air and they would have people breathing

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it and then they would observe how they

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would react and of course as you can

565
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imagine

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um when you know another scientist

567
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slipped it into his uh drink

568
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:40,720
and you know he ends up in the hospital

569
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,360
oh what are co-workers for of course

570
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:45,039
exactly

571
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,840
another guy ended up uh killing himself

572
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,679
jumping out of a window

573
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,760
as a result of this

574
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,320
and that was one of those things that

575
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:57,520
ultimately in 1973 the cia was hauled

576
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,400
before congress and they had to testify

577
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:02,320
about all of this all these things they

578
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,520
had been doing

579
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,480
since

580
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:06,960
the early 50s and all through the 50s

581
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:09,840
and all through the 60s now where it

582
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:13,840
starts to tie into what i wrote about in

583
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,760
shimmering light about my dad is when i

584
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,799
discovered that during the early days of

585
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,720
mk ultra

586
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:25,280
the military was very enthusiastic about

587
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:26,480
this technology

588
00:22:28,669 --> 00:22:27,360
and

589
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,679
the most

590
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,280
enthusiastic branch of the military that

591
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,520
really loved this stuff

592
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:35,760
was the united states air force they

593
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:38,559
were the most enthused about mk ultra

594
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:39,360
and

595
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,559
they eventually started their own

596
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,440
mk ultra technology program now here's

597
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,440
the beauty of this heidi

598
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,760
and we we hear about the church

599
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,159
committee in 1973 where the cia had

600
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:53,760
become clean

601
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,640
the dod and the u.s air force have never

602
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:58,960
had to go before congress

603
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,000
and tell everyone about their mk ultra

604
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,559
program in other words

605
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,480
they were left out of this

606
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,799
the cia admitted to what they were doing

607
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:10,400
but the air force has never had to

608
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,360
reveal

609
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:13,280
what i'm not surprised they're always

610
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,640
the ones that are caught with their

611
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,240
hands in the cookie jar when it comes to

612
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,200
like military abductions sacred space

613
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,880
program anything and everything out of

614
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,960
the ordinary that's abusing

615
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,320
the public

616
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,559
well i a lot of that gets exaggerated

617
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,799
you know i i'm an air force officer so

618
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,200
you know reserve inactive let me add

619
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,240
that so people don't freak out um and i

620
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,720
and i was a i was a special agent in

621
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,400
that group of

622
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,520
you know

623
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,840
one of them that's right i was an osi

624
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,320
guy and so i know how i know how the air

625
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,159
force works in general i will tell you

626
00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:47,760
they are the most

627
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,280
um as far as their uh public relations

628
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,120
goes and stuff like that they are the

629
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,159
most conservative branch they really

630
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:57,919
they really

631
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,880
really strive to they try i'm not saying

632
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,120
they achieve this but they try to be if

633
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,039
if there's any branch that has the you

634
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,360
know the choir boys in it the air force

635
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,360
would look would love to be that branch

636
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,360
because i wonder how proud they are of

637
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,200
you at this moment um

638
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,600
walter we've got to get to our first

639
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,840
break uh and we'll start off where we

640
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,360
left off you guys are listening to me

641
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,120
heidi hollis the outlander and we will

642
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,880
be right back

643
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,320
[Music]

644
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,840
welcome back everybody you're listening

645
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,360
to me heidi house the outlander

646
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,120
remembering always if it's weird we're

647
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,200
here we're giving you advice and insight

648
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,360
on outlandish topics phone lines are

649
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,520
always open but i do realize most of you

650
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,760
guys listen to us through the app so

651
00:24:42,909 --> 00:24:39,360
you're not listening to us live so it's

652
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,750
1-888-919-2355 and i have walter bosley

653
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,559
who is just shimmying down the rankings

654
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:51,120
of the united states air force and his

655
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,269
that he had

656
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,000
he dedicated to this country which is

657
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,320
but you're you're sharing how the united

658
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,600
states air force did not have to

659
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,200
i don't know go to confession like

660
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,120
everybody else did right

661
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,600
as if they're untouchable in a lot of

662
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,679
ways now why is that when the navy is a

663
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:15,279
lot older than the air force what is

664
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:16,320
this

665
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,799
dig in as an air force guy

666
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:22,960
here it comes i know you guys you know

667
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:25,520
uh i hate to say it but world war ii

668
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,039
kind of kind of prove that uh

669
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,360
air power is uh

670
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,840
where it's at baby

671
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,320
uh you know in in the world war one era

672
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:37,760
you know remember between world war one

673
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,240
and world war ii we had uh you know a

674
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:42,000
couple of guys get in trouble you know

675
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,039
the point where they were even

676
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:44,880
court-martialed over saying that same

677
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,919
thing but world war ii proved it um

678
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,840
no there's a friendly little rivalry

679
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,760
going on there because uh

680
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,400
you know um what i think you know it's

681
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,760
interesting that's a good question you

682
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,159
ask why why do they seem to be

683
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,640
untouchable why have they not been

684
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:03,120
made to confess this up and that gets

685
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,080
into

686
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,480
again one of the things in the book i

687
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,960
think one of the reasons and i hadn't

688
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,480
thought of it this way so that's a very

689
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,600
good question

690
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,039
one of the reasons

691
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,640
why probably

692
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,120
they've been left alone uh might be

693
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,760
because of a secret space program right

694
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:21,919
yeah because i was thinking the same

695
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,640
you know if this is connected in any way

696
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,039
to a secret space program you know we

697
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,520
don't want to reveal that so we don't

698
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,440
we don't want to haul these guys up and

699
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,440
have to spill those beans yeah and be

700
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,440
like so you really want us to tell

701
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,279
everything do you really want to make me

702
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,840
sweat on the stand do you really want to

703
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,679
do this to me okay i'll tell you

704
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,360
everything you know yeah it's like okay

705
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,279
okay okay never mind never mind i guess

706
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,039
so see that so

707
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,960
yeah they get off and i don't as i say

708
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,240
in the book you know i don't condemn

709
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,679
and we'll get into this when we start

710
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,760
talking about my dad and what you know

711
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,480
what might have been done in his case

712
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,279
i still don't condem

713
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:04,080
them for using this on my dad if they

714
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,360
indeed did

715
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,919
because i still right now i'm convinced

716
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,919
that he would have and he and the other

717
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,520
guys he worked with would have agreed to

718
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,679
this voluntarily i think in the 50s it

719
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,320
was a new toy and you know they they

720
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,039
were learning new ways to try to keep

721
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:21,600
operational security to maintain a

722
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,640
classified secret and i could see them

723
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,559
you know saying to the personnel hey

724
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,080
guys if you're going to be part of this

725
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,760
extra special project we're using this

726
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:32,159
new mk ultra stuff and we're going to be

727
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:33,120
able to

728
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,640
after you're done we're going to be able

729
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,480
to just hypnotize you a little bit and

730
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,240
you won't even have to worry about

731
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,679
slipping up and talking about this stuff

732
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,120
because it'll suppress it and i could

733
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,440
see my dad and the other guys going hey

734
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,039
cool sounds good to me

735
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,440
let's rock and roll you know i i could

736
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:50,000
see that i could see this being

737
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,960
you know

738
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,120
in the air force application at least

739
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,720
you know where my dad's part would be

740
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,880
concerned i could see this being kind of

741
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,440
on a naive

742
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,520
kind of look at the new toy we've got in

743
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,240
our toolbox kind of thing and then

744
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,399
later realizing oh

745
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,320
heck look what this does to these guys

746
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,559
because i do think it affected my dad in

747
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,080
a negative way

748
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:14,080
the rest of his life

749
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,120
but i

750
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:17,360
really don't think that it was intended

751
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,240
to

752
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,559
or it was something that they knew about

753
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,279
but neglected i think it was just

754
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,240
you know just the way it was

755
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,840
so how do we

756
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:28,720
get

757
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,000
our tail ends into space how did the air

758
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:34,480
force get the goods on this or was it

759
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:42,549
well for the record i think both

760
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:46,240
both of those branches are the ones that

761
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:47,200
make up

762
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:48,080
the

763
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,640
program is and i think

764
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,720
it all and i get into this in the book

765
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,840
of course in great detail

766
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,480
if it's and it's all there in documented

767
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,640
history about world war ii and operation

768
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:04,080
paper clip

769
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,080
you had from the 1920s in the 1930s

770
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,640
aviation scientists in the united states

771
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,240
in germany france other parts of the

772
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,960
world who were pursuing

773
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,360
in a nutshell the ability

774
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,480
to

775
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,360
keep a pilot and an air crew safe and

776
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,880
functional alive in high altitudes okay

777
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,320
because the guys engineering the

778
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,000
aerospace engineers were trying to build

779
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,840
those planes to go faster and higher

780
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:31,760
each day right

781
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,960
and so you had your aviation scientists

782
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:36,799
most of these guys were medical doctors

783
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:39,679
that's where we get aviation medicine as

784
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,960
a field okay and and that's where

785
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:45,120
believe it or not the great advancements

786
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:46,159
in

787
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,960
uh

788
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,120
secret space program in space technology

789
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,360
really came from as these aviation

790
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,960
medicine scientists

791
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,880
were pushing

792
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,120
you know the ability to keep

793
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,200
pilots and air crews safe and alive and

794
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,120
functional in those high altitudes now

795
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,679
what you had was a guy named colonel

796
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,320
harry armstrong who was a us army air

797
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,399
corps and he was one of the main

798
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,159
instrumental guys behind operation

799
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,120
pay-per-click he was pushing to get i

800
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,840
believe the total was 58 of these german

801
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,600
scientists who were who had been

802
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,600
involved in varying degrees with

803
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,399
aviation medicine science okay

804
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,799
to get them into the united states to

805
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,440
advance our

806
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,880
aviation medicine or what we call

807
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,679
aerospace medicine after that uh for the

808
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,960
united states for the benefit of the

809
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,279
united states okay and that that really

810
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,399
when you look at the history of

811
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,720
operation paperclip and it blew my mind

812
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,880
um everybody thinks that it was the bomb

813
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,799
that was driving that and that was very

814
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,120
much a big part of it okay but actually

815
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:47,039
when you dig into the history of

816
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,640
operation paperclip you'll see that it

817
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,799
was the air core guys the eventually the

818
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,520
air force guys and it was really about

819
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,600
the drive to get the aviation medicine

820
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,880
guys

821
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,320
that were all about putting people at

822
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,880
higher altitudes and then by the time

823
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,799
otis benson

824
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,799
took over aviation medicine for the

825
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,279
united states air force in the late 40s

826
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,440
early 50s it became when you look at

827
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,200
what he was doing it became all about

828
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,000
putting man in space okay so you've got

829
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:16,480
that context going into the 50s all

830
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,520
right

831
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:20,000
really you've got benson driving this

832
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,880
um

833
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,360
you've got the us air force driving this

834
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,360
through aviation medicine okay you got

835
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,279
the ufo that crashed in roswell that

836
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,720
they stole the technology from yeah well

837
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,600
you know that that's we'll get to that

838
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,399
okay okay yeah but but you've got you

839
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,039
got this context you've got

840
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,120
you know benson driving this the u.s air

841
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,799
force aviation medicine is going that

842
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,039
way really put man in space

843
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:47,919
in by 1955 when my dad joins the air

844
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,559
force okay now what happened to him

845
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,960
specifically that the book focuses on

846
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:55,279
happened in 1958

847
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,240
and

848
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,559
that's where actually we have to come

849
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,279
back to roswell okay

850
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,880
so that was good timing

851
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:04,559
uh

852
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:05,360
you

853
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,399
otis benson who is involved in this

854
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,240
during the paper clip era he was

855
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,159
involved with heidelberg and all that at

856
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,000
the end of the war getting them to

857
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:18,159
you know bring the paper clip guys over

858
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,360
and stuff

859
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,240
and you've got all these paper clip

860
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:23,840
scientists

861
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:27,600
right there in new mexico in 1947

862
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,039
okay and a lot of them again are these

863
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,760
aviation medicine guys the other ones

864
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,760
are the rocket guys werner von braun in

865
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,440
them willie lay

866
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,279
and uh

867
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,559
oberth

868
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,760
in them there they are

869
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:44,720
okay

870
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,760
it's

871
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,000
uh uh less than a year and a half after

872
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,600
or maybe a year and a half after the end

873
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,440
of the war okay

874
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,919
you got these guys these germans who

875
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,679
from the time they were little kids have

876
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,080
dreamed about putting man in space

877
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,440
you've got their

878
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,519
their ingenious rocket engineers the

879
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:03,360
ones we got you know the russians got

880
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,399
their share

881
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,960
you've got the aviation medicine guys

882
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,039
and then you've got the us army air

883
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,039
corps eventually the air force but at

884
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,120
the time still the us army air corps

885
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,440
with harry armstrong and those guys and

886
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,919
they really dream about putting man in

887
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,120
space

888
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:22,320
and here is no relation to neil right

889
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,360
right

890
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,840
not that not that i ever found but i

891
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,039
didn't know

892
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,840
that there could be so here you have all

893
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,159
these guys in the right place

894
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,399
with the same vision

895
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,720
we've you know the united states you

896
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:38,880
know and the allies have just won the

897
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,919
war right um we're heading right into

898
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,679
the cold war they're getting a bunch of

899
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,760
money thrown their way they pretty much

900
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,159
feel like they can do whatever they want

901
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,720
so i ask the reader i ask people all the

902
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,519
time

903
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,760
what do you think they would have tried

904
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,159
the best german or the the best rocket

905
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,760
scientist the united states could get

906
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:59,919
their hands on the best aviation

907
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:01,919
medicine technology the united states

908
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,840
get their hand on a bunch of money and a

909
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,960
secret installation out there to do

910
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:09,359
whatever you wanted i argue

911
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,800
that the big secret of roswell is not

912
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,800
that it was extraterrestrial

913
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,440
is that it was a first

914
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:19,280
and classified

915
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,800
attempt at manned space travel by

916
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,119
the united states but the united states

917
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,960
army air corps and their german

918
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,119
scientists right there in new mexico i

919
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,119
think it was very very classified

920
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,359
because we were already in the cold war

921
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,599
okay we did not want the russians to

922
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:38,560
know that we were attempting to do this

923
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,599
okay and i think they put them up there

924
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,359
and i think on the way back down is when

925
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,800
they crashed

926
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,399
and they were willing and they grew

927
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,040
extra fingers because these things that

928
00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:50,879
people described didn't quite look look

929
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,120
right maybe they got distorted

930
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,560
[Music]

931
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,839
no there's a problem with these

932
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,960
witnesses

933
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,160
roswell

934
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,160
all this stuff we've heard from all

935
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,160
these witnesses and all this stuff

936
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,839
really fell apart

937
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:06,000
into a pile of nonsense

938
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,280
the witnesses

939
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:09,599
have there goes the roswell celebration

940
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,119
everybody man yes dropped well you know

941
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,720
they have a big you know roswell new

942
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,480
mexico it's a it's a big

943
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,000
well it's big money now they've got to

944
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:21,040
keep doing that you know because

945
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,640
you know the local merchants probably

946
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,480
rely on it it's you know that's a

947
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,560
separate thing but i hate to tell them

948
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:27,440
you know

949
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,359
the roswell as e.t event the whole thing

950
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,119
has fallen apart it doesn't you just

951
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,599
lost your space in their parade that's

952
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:37,520
all i'm going to say walter oh i i lost

953
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,710
but

954
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,880
i think they were willing to let

955
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:46,240
anything

956
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,680
get out there

957
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,839
let people believe anything other than

958
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,240
it was a first manned attempt

959
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,680
okay so

960
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,000
yeah flying saucer oh yeah yeah yeah

961
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,440
that's it um oh okay gray's you know oh

962
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,119
great these people are going off on this

963
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,680
tangent now for 50 years that this is

964
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,640
going to be aliens wonderful great cover

965
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,560
okay

966
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,190
that is what i think

967
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:16,720
very possibly roswell was

968
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:21,349
do you have this this perspective

969
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,720
because i have met

970
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,359
people who claim to have worked for the

971
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,000
government and who

972
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,800
imitated abductions

973
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,720
though they weren't abductions so is it

974
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,720
does this come to you

975
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,880
because you have heard of the same kind

976
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,480
of uh

977
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,640
project of of our government abducting

978
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:42,160
people trying to make them believe they

979
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:47,109
yeah

980
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,640
i don't i

981
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:51,359
i don't know what to say to that because

982
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:54,960
there there is just so much untruth

983
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,680
and nonsense that gets mixed up in that

984
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,839
whole thing that

985
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,520
uh

986
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:02,880
i i

987
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,240
you are so air force oh my gosh oh no no

988
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:08,560
be specific you've had people tell you

989
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,440
that

990
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,040
they've been about

991
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:13,280
to convince them that roswell was an e.t

992
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,320
event

993
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,960
no people that worked for the government

994
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,680
who were ordered to create fake

995
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,240
abductions to make people believe they

996
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,480
were abducted that's why i'm wondering

997
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,240
if that's a connection yeah that's

998
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,680
that's it's

999
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,520
we were talking about roswell and i was

1000
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,880
just trying to find the

1001
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,440
connection there that whole other the

1002
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,280
military abduction thing that's that's

1003
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,280
that's a whole other topic well i mean

1004
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,280
like literally like you know just like

1005
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,920
the reboot of the x-files it was it was

1006
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,760
the government faking

1007
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,240
uh alien abductions you know making

1008
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,160
people think that they were being taken

1009
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,760
by aliens when there was no such thing

1010
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,359
it was all people doing it in our

1011
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,760
government so okay and when i was saying

1012
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,520
they were willing to let anything cover

1013
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,200
for roswell yeah okay

1014
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,200
i was addressing specifically back then

1015
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,079
in 47 and then

1016
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,400
yeah i understand yeah yeah

1017
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,400
yeah um uh yeah the abduction thing

1018
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:08,240
that's that's something that i think

1019
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:09,280
started

1020
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,560
later and

1021
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:13,520
and uh oh

1022
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,240
but

1023
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,640
or was being done by somebody else which

1024
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,760
again

1025
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,160
there's another topic that

1026
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,920
is very interesting in itself but

1027
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,079
specifically on roswell when you look at

1028
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,160
what happened you know what we're told

1029
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,640
what we think happened what we hear

1030
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:30,240
i propose that when you look at the

1031
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,150
explanation is this first manned

1032
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,320
space attempt that they wanted to keep

1033
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,280
classified now to answer two things come

1034
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,880
out of this number one

1035
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,760
okay

1036
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,839
why and how would this first manned

1037
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,560
attempt remain so classified for all

1038
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,920
these years

1039
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,880
well

1040
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:56,000
if

1041
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:01,119
a secret space program that continues to

1042
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,240
this day

1043
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,720
there's your reason why and how they

1044
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,240
could keep

1045
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,160
the real truth behind roswell as i

1046
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:10,480
propose it a secret because if it's an

1047
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,400
ongoing thing they have ways to to clamp

1048
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,720
down on that now the other thing the

1049
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,000
other point i

1050
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,320
said that comes up with this though is

1051
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,440
my dad's story you know my dad says he

1052
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,800
was shown

1053
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,599
uh

1054
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:28,480
the debris from roswell the bodies and

1055
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:29,599
and

1056
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:32,720
his version differs from that suggestion

1057
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,680
i make about the man classified program

1058
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,359
in his version

1059
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,480
it's not extraterrestrials he was very

1060
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,200
adamant about that for all the years

1061
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,200
that it was not extraterrestrials it was

1062
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,880
not greys

1063
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,720
what he says he was told when he was

1064
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,599
briefed in on this in 1958

1065
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:53,440
at right pat

1066
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,480
was that it was a

1067
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,640
civilization that exists on this planet

1068
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,560
parallel to our own

1069
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,839
and that

1070
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,760
what crashed was one of their flying

1071
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,079
craft and the bodies were people from

1072
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,800
their civilization that were as human as

1073
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,960
you and i but the way he described him

1074
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,720
was yeah they were a little bit smaller

1075
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,640
in stature and they were virtually

1076
00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:16,000
hairless

1077
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,320
that's what he was shown that's what he

1078
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,920
was told about who they were and where

1079
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,000
they came from because

1080
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,839
he was told he and the guys he was

1081
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,200
working with are getting briefed in on

1082
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,800
this they were told it has happened

1083
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,960
again this civilization

1084
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,200
has crashed another vehicle

1085
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:34,240
and they have come to us now to request

1086
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,440
we assist

1087
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,760
in the retrieval

1088
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,920
of their pilot their air crew or

1089
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,000
whatever and wow they're going to start

1090
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,760
it they have to have an age limit on

1091
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,599
their driving

1092
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:46,480
so

1093
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:50,800
civilization are we talking about

1094
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,079
underground uh parallel universe what

1095
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,680
are we speaking of

1096
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:56,480
he

1097
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,599
briefed at wright-patterson was a

1098
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,280
human civilization that had gone

1099
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:06,000
subterranean a long time ago when there

1100
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:07,680
had been some type of cataclysm on the

1101
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:10,800
surface of the earth and some of us came

1102
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,359
back up a lot of us stayed back down

1103
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,400
there and it and those people

1104
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,160
who stayed down there

1105
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,119
developed their own civilization with

1106
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,960
technology a little different than ours

1107
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,920
in some ways a little more advanced

1108
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,760
what's uh what was the benefit of your

1109
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,839
father being briefed on such a thing

1110
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,400
because it's they're so secretive why

1111
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,800
would he need to know that was he

1112
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,200
uh was his position uh

1113
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,640
i don't know part of

1114
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,319
covering up

1115
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:42,640
no his position was he was a

1116
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,680
physiological training specialist within

1117
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,400
the aviation medicine field of command

1118
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,800
okay he worked for

1119
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,920
essentially

1120
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,480
otis benson's aerospace

1121
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,880
medicine division of the air force and

1122
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,319
what is a physiological training

1123
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,760
specialist these are the guys they run

1124
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,160
pilots throughout the two chambers they

1125
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,359
uh give the briefings and lectures to

1126
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,839
when pilots are learning about

1127
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:09,920
flying at high altitude the effects on

1128
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,720
human physiology that kind of thing

1129
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,079
they also

1130
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,880
test they do the ground testing

1131
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,280
and some flight testing of pressure

1132
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:21,839
suits and oxygen system technology my

1133
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,800
dad used to go up and in jet aircraft in

1134
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,560
the in the back seat in the passenger

1135
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:28,240
seat you know

1136
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,440
when they would

1137
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,880
test out equipment make sure it was

1138
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,480
working right most of that was done on

1139
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,880
the ground his unit at george air force

1140
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:37,680
base did the ground testing for the

1141
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,720
mercury space program suits now a lot of

1142
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,280
people say oh but that was nasa

1143
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,480
not originally mercury was the manned

1144
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,960
program assigned to the united states

1145
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,520
air force before nasa even existed the

1146
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,119
u.s air force

1147
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:54,960
had been developing the technology that

1148
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,520
led to mercury and they were continuing

1149
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,960
to develop it

1150
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:01,119
when nasa was stood up

1151
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,200
in late 1958 and then mercury the public

1152
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,240
part of it was handed off to them

1153
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,800
my dad's unit at george

1154
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,560
was involved in the ground testing of

1155
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,960
those silver pressure suits you see in

1156
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,319
the movie the right stuff and the

1157
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,640
history films that the mercury

1158
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,000
astronauts wore

1159
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,079
you know i i learned something and you

1160
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,000
know this may seem really

1161
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:27,280
silly but i i was stunned to learn this

1162
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,880
i i met one of the red tails um guys

1163
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,760
and

1164
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,400
i i was curious i'm like you know you're

1165
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:36,640
flying around for who knows how long i'm

1166
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,440
like

1167
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,920
how do you use the bathroom and i just

1168
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,000
really was curious

1169
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:44,880
he's like diapers what

1170
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,400
it's like right and little little

1171
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,400
urine bags you know they just kind of

1172
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,760
hook up

1173
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,240
oh my gosh i was stunned i'm like you

1174
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,319
know i just had to ask it because he's

1175
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,359
in his 90s and and he's like oh yeah the

1176
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,880
diapers i'm like you know i would have

1177
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,480
drawn the line right there i would not

1178
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,880
want to be a pilot but yeah now you know

1179
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,040
why they invented you know the

1180
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:09,119
the the space toilets and stuff like

1181
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,400
that those guys are probably tired of

1182
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:12,480
wearing that

1183
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,520
yeah but that explains why people say

1184
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,280
why would your dad be briefed on this

1185
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,920
stuff you know a staff sergeant well yes

1186
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,520
because he was a physiological training

1187
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,960
specialist and did all those things and

1188
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:24,400
because he did the things i just

1189
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,440
explained he had a very high clearance

1190
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,040
because he worked with space program

1191
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:30,880
stuff u.s air force space program stuff

1192
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,000
and as i discovered on a forum

1193
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,560
from the 50s the george air force base

1194
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,200
form 101 that described his duties

1195
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,480
one of the

1196
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,560
duties he was assigned to was a little

1197
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,040
something called casualty collection

1198
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,040
team number one

1199
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,359
folks that's a retrieval that's crash

1200
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,920
retrieval now

1201
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,800
that's aircraft human remains that kind

1202
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,160
of thing but

1203
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,160
it qualifies you when you add the

1204
00:45:02,950 --> 00:44:59,839
clearance he had

1205
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,960
should something fall from another world

1206
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,319
who do you think they're going to get

1207
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:05,839
they're going to get this remember this

1208
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,800
is 1958 this is not nowadays when you go

1209
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,640
on these super commando teams this is

1210
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,240
1958

1211
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,240
you know my dad was on this casualty

1212
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,839
collection team and i remember when i

1213
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:17,520
was a kid him talking about the crashes

1214
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,640
and they'd have to go out there you know

1215
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,800
when the jets would crash and the pilots

1216
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:22,800
he knew and stuff um

1217
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,839
would crash but uh you know so there you

1218
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:28,079
go you have his what he did in his job

1219
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,520
that put him in

1220
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,359
uh you know working with u.s air force

1221
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,440
space program technology which required

1222
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,480
the high clearance okay and you have him

1223
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,400
already trained and a part of this

1224
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:40,079
casualty collection

1225
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,960
uh

1226
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:43,200
team you know this kind of work

1227
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,119
so when this happens out in arizona

1228
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,520
he was in training at

1229
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,359
gunner air force base

1230
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,440
back in montgomery alabama

1231
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,680
that's why he was he and the guys he

1232
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,040
worked with the other guys who did the

1233
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,359
stuff he did were taken up to wright

1234
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:01,920
patterson and briefed in on roswell i

1235
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,800
say

1236
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,960
a question a question from the chat room

1237
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,200
uh russ is asking how does the guest

1238
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,880
decide who's telling the truth when so

1239
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,560
many are sharing

1240
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:13,040
dis or disinformation misinformation but

1241
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:14,480
when it's your dad i think it's it's

1242
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,160
easier to decide i take it uh yeah

1243
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:19,920
yeah you know i

1244
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,200
yeah i i what do i say um you know this

1245
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,760
is something as i say in the book and as

1246
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,599
i said elsewhere you know this is

1247
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,520
something he started telling me

1248
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,640
around 1974 when i was a kid

1249
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:35,359
and you know his it stayed consistent

1250
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,319
for

1251
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,280
you know almost 40 years and then i go

1252
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,200
on to have a clearance and work in the

1253
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,359
spook world and you know i'm an air

1254
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,839
force officer and an osi agent on top of

1255
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,960
that with a fairly respectable clearance

1256
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:50,960
within that organization

1257
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,599
and you know i was kind of recruited

1258
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,319
into this as a young guy by a mentor who

1259
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,720
passed away last year an uncle of mine

1260
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:01,359
and he had 44 years in the intelligence

1261
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,480
business

1262
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,800
and some interesting things in his past

1263
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,480
and you know

1264
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,800
he was kind of

1265
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,960
a superior officer

1266
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,920
i i

1267
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,520
it's too long of a story to get into it

1268
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,119
but during my career

1269
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:17,280
you know there there was kind of a level

1270
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,319
of reporting to him you might say okay

1271
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:23,200
but here here's another uh kind of

1272
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,640
things and brief man on some of these

1273
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,960
things too well here's a question that

1274
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,280
it should be pretty obvious like why on

1275
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,680
earth would the air force allow you to

1276
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,680
continue to research and write about

1277
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,760
these things because you don't go deep

1278
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,119
enough or

1279
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:38,880
are they feeding you

1280
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,359
the the angle to go at i mean how are

1281
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,240
you sitting here uh doing this

1282
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,480
yes first of all the u.s air force

1283
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,480
believe me has nothing

1284
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:51,440
uh no involvement with with what i'm

1285
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,920
doing um i'm sure that somebody in osi

1286
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,400
you know kind of keeps their ear cocked

1287
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,800
and in one eye aimed my way

1288
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,520
but

1289
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,440
look at it this way what i've done with

1290
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,960
this book

1291
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,400
in particular is

1292
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,560
i've written about my dad i've written

1293
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,760
about something that happened in the

1294
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,319
late 50s you know a story that he was

1295
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:14,720
telling me for 40 years

1296
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:17,440
most of my book is scholarship that digs

1297
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,839
into

1298
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,680
um world war ii era history and

1299
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,000
operation paper clip history you know i

1300
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,040
framed this within a context of

1301
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,000
documented historical evidence and i'm

1302
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,200
using the documentation from his service

1303
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,960
interesting thing was they didn't get me

1304
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,359
his personnel file until after i had to

1305
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,800
release the book you know it was time to

1306
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,960
release the book i released it and then

1307
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,800
a couple months later i get uh the

1308
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,200
personnel file um

1309
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,079
i assume he is not collecting a pension

1310
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,760
now

1311
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,400
my dad died um

1312
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,960
nine years ago he was essentially he's

1313
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,559
essentially murdered

1314
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,880
he was assaulted by a former employee

1315
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:00,160
and it took him

1316
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,440
like about a year

1317
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:03,119
in hospitals so

1318
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,400
terrific

1319
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,160
for nine years and he and when he got

1320
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,760
out of the air force he didn't retire so

1321
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,240
no he was never um in fact i don't think

1322
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,559
he ever even used his veterans medical

1323
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:14,079
benefits until

1324
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,200
you know maybe around the year 2000 2001

1325
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,359
so no you know there's no

1326
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,599
air force pension there's no

1327
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,359
you know um they haven't said anything

1328
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,880
to me yet now um again

1329
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,559
you know i hate to hold you there but we

1330
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,000
got to go to our next break and then

1331
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,839
we'll pick right back up you guys are

1332
00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:32,960
listening to me heidi hall is the

1333
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,260
outlander and we will be right back

1334
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:37,119
[Music]

1335
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,720
welcome back everybody you're listening

1336
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,720
to me heidi hollis the outlander

1337
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,240
remembering always if it's weird we're

1338
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:44,000
here and that's why walter bosley is

1339
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,270
you know

1340
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,960
it's getting deeper it's getting even

1341
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,040
more fascinating secret space program is

1342
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,440
a really really hot topic these days a

1343
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,440
lot of people who were

1344
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,760
somehow involved or connected or getting

1345
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,160
memories back are talking

1346
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,559
and here it turns out that your father

1347
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,760
was kind of

1348
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,720
kind of in it from the beginning and you

1349
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,440
kind of did a tag team with your uncle

1350
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,599
and yourself

1351
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,839
looking into some of these these these

1352
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,960
topics

1353
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,200
incognito is that what you're kind of

1354
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:21,599
leading up to with uh

1355
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:24,839
what your role was with some of this

1356
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,640
well let me say this i i i don't want to

1357
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,599
give anyone the impression that i

1358
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,520
just because i was an osi agent doing

1359
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:35,920
what i did for six years that i was

1360
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:39,200
privy to everything the us air force the

1361
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,480
dod

1362
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,559
was up left hand never knows what the

1363
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,559
right hand is doing i'm sure

1364
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,319
um when you think about it one of the

1365
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:48,720
reasons why an organization like osi is

1366
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,599
this is because we had bad guys okay um

1367
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,359
you know that was kind of part of it we

1368
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,599
had to watch out for them bad guys that

1369
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,240
would get in and violate things and uh

1370
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,599
you know so i'm not naive um

1371
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:06,160
you know i just am my personal

1372
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,280
experience

1373
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:10,319
you know was not with a nefarious

1374
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,599
us air force in general now yeah i had

1375
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,280
one of my guys working for me once when

1376
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,640
i was at wright patterson for three

1377
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,559
years that's where i was chief of a

1378
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,119
counter espionage operations branch and

1379
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,359
uh one of my guys he once said to me

1380
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,880
look he said

1381
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,480
he said you're here

1382
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,559
you're you're he goes you you have a a

1383
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,040
personal mission with your career i'm

1384
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,040
like i'm looking at him

1385
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,640
okay what's he getting at

1386
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,680
um and says uh you're on a quest

1387
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,760
and i looked at him

1388
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,079
and he just kind of smiled at me says

1389
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,319
you're on a personal quest he goes yeah

1390
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,920
he goes you do the job right you're

1391
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,599
dedicated to the job you know he goes

1392
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,960
i'm not implying that you're not it goes

1393
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,440
but this whole thing for you

1394
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,240
fbi osi whatever you'll do after this he

1395
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,640
goes you're actually on some type of

1396
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,559
personal quest and that was where it

1397
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,920
ended and

1398
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,520
yeah he was right

1399
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:03,680
i i'll put it to you this way when my

1400
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,960
mentor first started working me overtly

1401
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,480
um because he'd been watching me since i

1402
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,119
was a kid when he first first started

1403
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,800
working me

1404
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,839
um

1405
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,240
i was in my mid-twenties

1406
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,040
early twenties and i had just gotten out

1407
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,440
and uh you know where he he saw the

1408
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,119
books i had he saw the things i was

1409
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,800
interested in and he says you know

1410
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,319
you're interested in all this curious

1411
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:29,520
stuff ufos and other dimensions and all

1412
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,640
this strange stuff he says uh you know a

1413
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,760
good way

1414
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,920
to learn more about that and to really

1415
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,599
see what's going on

1416
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,599
would be uh you know to go into the

1417
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,000
spook world what we call you know that's

1418
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:44,400
the age-old term for the spy world

1419
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,359
okay

1420
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:47,760
national security and stuff and and that

1421
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,880
really that really flipped the switch

1422
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,880
so that that puts you on your mission

1423
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,920
even more

1424
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,800
more so

1425
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,040
yeah yeah okay so you know he was the

1426
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,040
one that said go work for the fbi go

1427
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,200
apply to the fbi and i did so what did

1428
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,760
you come across uh so

1429
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,839
secret space program what what did you

1430
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,359
come across

1431
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,599
that allowed you to get a wider

1432
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,520
understanding of

1433
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,359
what's going on out there like i i

1434
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,800
mentioned during the break it's like

1435
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,040
it's absolutely frustrating for people

1436
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:19,440
like myself who have seen things

1437
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,559
seen beings seen craft

1438
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,400
have been harassed by the government

1439
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,359
more times than i care to count and and

1440
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,760
absolutely aggravated and and

1441
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:30,640
know

1442
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,040
they're interrogating people like myself

1443
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:41,680
to get answers or to see how much i do

1444
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:44,400
know and it's like okay you know why the

1445
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,000
the shenanigans it gets old it's

1446
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,240
infuriating nothing in my life makes me

1447
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,720
more angry than their garbage that they

1448
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,440
have done in my life and others

1449
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,520
incognito mind you but

1450
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,040
you know this is this is another thing i

1451
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,880
i'm a human being just like these other

1452
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,880
human beings some of them probably not

1453
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,640
they're probably lizards

1454
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:06,079
in the government

1455
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,680
and think that i can't handle it but

1456
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,760
only they can i mean who are they to

1457
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,000
tell me i can't handle the truth

1458
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,160
so what the heck is going on what's

1459
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,079
going on

1460
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,150
uh

1461
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,520
you may not

1462
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,280
buy what i'm saying

1463
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,670
there could be people out there that are

1464
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,680
just you know

1465
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,599
there there are guys out there that are

1466
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,760
very clumsy with what it is they're

1467
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,680
supposed to do

1468
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,680
there are things people are seeing out

1469
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,160
there that honestly are just our

1470
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,400
advanced technology and they want to

1471
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,720
know you know what the person saw where

1472
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,000
they saw it they want to know their

1473
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,079
impressions of it and there are things

1474
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:49,760
out there from other worlds that

1475
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,200
certainly people are seeing and

1476
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:55,599
an organization like the air force wants

1477
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,000
to know who's seeing them and you know

1478
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,480
what what they're seeing happen

1479
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,040
it's all there everything you said i'm

1480
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,839
not going to say didn't happen

1481
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,760
at at all because

1482
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,000
based on you know what i was told based

1483
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,200
on what i've been convinced um yeah i

1484
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,119
you know i people know

1485
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,839
that just because i'm critical of like

1486
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,400
these whistleblowers okay

1487
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,480
anybody who knows me you know we could

1488
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,000
get a whole conversation about some of

1489
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:26,000
these recent whistleblowers and they're

1490
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,200
full of crap

1491
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,200
okay but that's another that's another

1492
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,880
subject that doesn't mean that i don't

1493
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:32,400
think et

1494
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,520
there i think he's just not visiting huh

1495
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:39,040
and they are visiting and they've been

1496
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,920
dating

1497
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,079
ever since of course and they don't

1498
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,880
expect all of it okay that everybody's

1499
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,440
seeing um but there are people out there

1500
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:49,920
that are making things up to get

1501
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,960
attention

1502
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,680
okay or honestly they have an experience

1503
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,160
that freaks them out or scares them and

1504
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,400
you know some folks out of that they

1505
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:00,000
they

1506
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,200
what happened to them some folks not all

1507
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,200
of them so yeah because this isn't this

1508
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:08,799
isn't the business to be in if you want

1509
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,400
to make some money just so people know

1510
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,720
well that's the thing is that most most

1511
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,520
of us learn that yeah yeah

1512
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,359
but you know

1513
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,359
you know as far as

1514
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:23,280
these whistleblowers

1515
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,079
the money that is in this field is being

1516
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:28,480
pushed behind them and there's an agenda

1517
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:29,440
there

1518
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,920
so

1519
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,720
what's going on what is this what is

1520
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,480
this garbage

1521
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,240
which which particular garbage there's a

1522
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,799
lot of garbage well the garbage about

1523
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,480
our government hiding what are

1524
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:46,319
what are they doing out in space

1525
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:47,280
what

1526
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,119
unfortunately

1527
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,680
is that nefarious

1528
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,680
rotten

1529
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,839
evil

1530
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,640
military industrial complex call it a

1531
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,200
cabal call it whatever you want

1532
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,240
but a deal was made with the devil at

1533
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:13,920
the end of the world

1534
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:14,799
okay

1535
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,599
and i suggest that all these negative

1536
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:19,040
things you're talking about all this

1537
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:19,920
stuff

1538
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,079
that is the activity and the product of

1539
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,559
this military industrial complex

1540
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,839
uh thing that eisenhower warned about

1541
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,960
okay

1542
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,880
and unfortunately

1543
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,119
it has infected

1544
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,359
yeah it's infected our

1545
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,040
our military

1546
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,000
it's infected our industry that's what

1547
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:44,319
the whole military industrial complex

1548
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,440
problem is

1549
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:47,040
is this infection

1550
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,839
and

1551
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,599
so to answer your question what have

1552
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,440
they got to hide well i would venture to

1553
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,880
say what they got to hide is their

1554
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:54,799
breakaway group their breakaway

1555
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:57,920
civilization their their secret space

1556
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,799
program

1557
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,920
okay

1558
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,160
their activities now why are they

1559
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,920
willing to go this far to treat people

1560
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:05,599
this way and do all this nefariousness

1561
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,480
right

1562
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,119
is because for decades

1563
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,440
they've been the big guys on the block

1564
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,200
they've been the ones calling the shot

1565
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:16,319
and controlling things okay so that's

1566
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:17,280
why

1567
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,559
um some personnel will call them

1568
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,720
uh you know are given the freedom and

1569
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,400
the margin to do

1570
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,480
you know really rotten things to

1571
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:27,839
witnesses and

1572
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,440
you know uh play with mk ultra and and

1573
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,799
with the mind

1574
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,359
so that's what i'm saying i i don't i

1575
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,960
don't doubt what you're saying about

1576
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,880
this stuff happening i'm not saying it

1577
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,520
doesn't happen what i'm saying is um and

1578
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,359
i'm hoping to do this with

1579
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:45,040
the new one when it comes out here real

1580
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,280
soon um in a few weeks is to help people

1581
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:50,880
really aim

1582
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,319
the the spotlight on the right bad guys

1583
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,640
and and you know it's not going to be

1584
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,079
it you know it's going to be stuff

1585
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,079
you're going to be familiar with but

1586
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,839
what i do is i think i bring it into a

1587
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,319
very tighter specific focus it'll be the

1588
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,160
first time that i will actually point to

1589
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,480
and name names in our present day

1590
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,240
up to this point i've dealt with

1591
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,960
historical you know the last 150 years

1592
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,200
primarily you know leading up and i and

1593
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,760
i haven't really got current i'm about

1594
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:19,280
to go current

1595
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:23,040
nice nice tell you i think who i think

1596
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,400
are the ones that did these rotten

1597
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,640
things to you and some other people

1598
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,400
okay and

1599
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:30,799
why it's dangerous very dangerous for us

1600
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,280
today i had i had

1601
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,640
kind of a bit of a shocking

1602
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,640
enlightenment in this research which is

1603
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,040
why i'm compelled to do this new book

1604
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:41,200
and uh you know i've got some associates

1605
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:41,920
that

1606
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,480
are going huh you finally see right

1607
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,960
yeah that's awesome

1608
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,559
it's something that that you know my

1609
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,040
first book that i i touched upon my book

1610
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,359
is called the secret war and it had to

1611
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,280
do with the darker beings which ones are

1612
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,200
pulling the strings of what how they're

1613
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,119
intertwined with the government and how

1614
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:02,880
the government sold their souls and some

1615
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:05,440
of ours to the devil so it's i i speak

1616
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,799
your language i get you so yeah it is

1617
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,480
and because i don't like to i don't i

1618
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,799
know that yeah here's the thing i

1619
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,400
believe in being honest

1620
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,599
and objective all right um where where

1621
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:19,760
the air force or the u.s military does

1622
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,760
something bad i'm gonna say it

1623
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,400
but where people are

1624
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,160
you know wrong about that and where they

1625
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,240
do good i'm gonna say that too right

1626
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,680
awesome

1627
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,280
and you know a lot of times people just

1628
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,440
want to paint it all with the one brush

1629
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,520
and that's not fair that's not right um

1630
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,880
because

1631
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,400
it's not the truth

1632
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:41,119
um this is you know the the

1633
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,799
the issue of the truth is why i have

1634
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,000
trouble with these

1635
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:46,799
whistleblowers that keep being thrown at

1636
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:50,079
okay these guys who say this stuff

1637
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,040
have

1638
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:54,000
nothing to back it up and the stories

1639
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:55,680
just get wilder

1640
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,720
and

1641
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:58,480
they've got

1642
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,079
some pal you know where the money is

1643
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:05,359
you know in this field is being put into

1644
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:06,160
them

1645
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,000
okay because

1646
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,559
there's an agenda okay they want people

1647
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,319
to think a certain thing they're pushing

1648
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,240
people in a certain direction or they're

1649
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,240
pushing people away from another

1650
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,599
direction all right um the the direction

1651
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,920
they're pushing you away from with these

1652
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,760
ridiculous so-called whistleblower

1653
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,760
stories is to get you away from the

1654
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:31,599
people that are that that are pointing

1655
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,960
to what you know is the more um factual

1656
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,040
based stuff because that will uncover

1657
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,000
them faster than any of the nonsense

1658
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,880
they want people paying attention to

1659
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,280
you know when i was 16 i was sent to

1660
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,160
mars for 20 years to be a space commando

1661
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:50,960
and then they timed me back to 16 years

1662
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,359
old five minutes later or the latest guy

1663
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,920
that i heard last night uh yeah yeah

1664
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:57,920
when i was in the recruiting uh you know

1665
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,480
in 1978 from the marine corps i was you

1666
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,240
know taken through a door down through

1667
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:04,960
this tunnel and i you know for 20 years

1668
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,240
i was you know on the moon and doing all

1669
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,599
this uh

1670
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,359
you know fighting in space of the secret

1671
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,119
space program and then they time

1672
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:15,119
traveled me back to that very day i was

1673
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,799
being recruited

1674
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:18,319
give me a break

1675
01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:22,559
yeah yeah it gets deep it gets deep

1676
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,040
yes they sell more fertilizer than home

1677
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:27,839
depot does every year but we do know i

1678
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,319
mean i think a lot of us do realize that

1679
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,119
there are people being sent up into

1680
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,760
space but how far are they going on how

1681
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:37,680
long are they going do you have some

1682
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,720
understanding

1683
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,119
here's what's happening i i think the

1684
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:43,280
closest thing i've heard that sounds

1685
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,040
rash that sounds

1686
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,240
you know logical impossible to me is

1687
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,160
like some of the stuff that this uh

1688
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,160
mckinnon guy gary mckinnon talks about

1689
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:54,000
where you know what did he say he found

1690
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,240
he said he found lists of personnel and

1691
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:58,160
ships and stuff like that here's here's

1692
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:59,200
what i think

1693
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,079
that

1694
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:02,480
there is a secret space program it is

1695
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:06,799
more advanced than nasa uh yeah yeah

1696
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,079
and it's not star trek okay it's not we

1697
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,839
don't know how to start you just wrote

1698
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:14,960
my dreams okay exactly we don't have

1699
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:18,000
physical we we don't have some you know

1700
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,039
i

1701
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,680
90

1702
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,400
we probably don't have some door you can

1703
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,559
step through on earth and end up on mars

1704
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:29,039
i'm not 100 that we don't on that but

1705
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,799
that's a whole other conversation but

1706
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,920
the thing is

1707
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:32,799
um

1708
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:35,280
here's my beef it's not so much that

1709
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,079
what these guys are claiming is totally

1710
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,480
impossible and out of the question

1711
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:42,960
but here's the problem i have with it is

1712
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,079
it's not as advanced as they spin it up

1713
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,559
to be um for instance i think an

1714
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:50,799
interplanetary ship is very much like

1715
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,200
being on a u.s navy submarine but in

1716
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:55,359
space that's that's what i think those

1717
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,359
crews face okay that's why i think those

1718
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:59,440
do yeah i think we put boots on mars a

1719
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:02,000
long time ago of course i think so how

1720
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,680
far do you think that we've gone i mean

1721
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:05,200
what kind of evidence have you come

1722
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,000
across

1723
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:08,240
who knows i can't say i'm not in the

1724
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,680
secret space program you know because

1725
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:10,880
think about it if they've been doing it

1726
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:13,920
secretly since the 1950s my gosh you

1727
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:16,000
know think think what they could um have

1728
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,680
accomplished but here's my other beef

1729
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,839
with the whistleblower guys is the

1730
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:21,599
people who would really have been in the

1731
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,920
secret space program okay they don't

1732
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,039
need to be

1733
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:26,960
uh

1734
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,520
they don't need to be time traveled back

1735
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:31,920
to their 16 year old bodies you know in

1736
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:34,640
in mind swiped like that okay

1737
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,960
um i think what they are or what we in

1738
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:38,880
the military call good soldiers good

1739
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,880
airmen good sailors or whatever they do

1740
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,720
their duty they keep their mouth shut

1741
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,240
okay

1742
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:46,559
the secret space program duty might just

1743
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:49,839
be hey i'm a submariner in the united

1744
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:54,000
states navy okay and for two years i was

1745
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:55,200
assigned

1746
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:56,240
to the

1747
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:57,599
us

1748
01:05:02,309 --> 01:04:58,480
uh

1749
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:02,319
orion let's call it okay or the u.s

1750
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:05,680
lollipop okay and for those two years i

1751
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,520
was on a classified missions between

1752
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,039
here and mars

1753
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,359
okay or here in the moon or whatever and

1754
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:13,119
then you know they come back and they

1755
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,799
you know do their careers on an aircraft

1756
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,960
carrier or you know whatever i i think

1757
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,200
it's it's probably something like that

1758
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,760
um of course you you might have guys

1759
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:24,000
that spend their entire career in this

1760
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,520
secret space program i'm not saying that

1761
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,119
you necessarily wouldn't

1762
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,280
but i think that you know it's uh what i

1763
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,119
think the reality is is it's a little

1764
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:33,839
bit more down to earth than people think

1765
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:36,640
it is or or want to think it is uh but

1766
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,039
you've only come across the the fact

1767
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,799
that it exists

1768
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,200
but not so much

1769
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,280
through my analysis and my research and

1770
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,000
my personal experience with a how things

1771
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:50,400
can actually remain classified in spite

1772
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,039
of people's cynicism um the dedication

1773
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:54,799
of military personnel when working on a

1774
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,359
classified uh project

1775
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:59,200
just what uh what little i've been

1776
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:01,119
exposed to um

1777
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,319
this air force secret technology in my

1778
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,799
level of classification um

1779
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,160
you know

1780
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:10,880
and and things i've been briefed into

1781
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:13,839
and things i've been told by superiors

1782
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,480
yeah i'm personally convinced when you

1783
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,960
add all that plus the historical context

1784
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,559
i talked to earlier yeah i'm personally

1785
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,480
convinced that we do have a secret space

1786
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:24,960
program we would be idiots

1787
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,559
if we didn't

1788
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,720
now are we the only country going up

1789
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,480
there oh no

1790
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:32,240
yeah who's our biggest competition

1791
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:33,680
russia right

1792
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,640
uh

1793
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,160
well the soviet union used to be our

1794
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,160
biggest competition and i can say that i

1795
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,640
worked against those guys every day for

1796
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,640
for 12 years of my career

1797
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:44,240
okay but now we have this country called

1798
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:48,400
russia and uh and if we're smart

1799
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,240
we would uh be friends with them

1800
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,799
as long as they stop messing with us

1801
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,039
i don't think well look the the intel

1802
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:59,440
agencies we've all we mess with them

1803
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,680
we're doing everything they do and

1804
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,599
they're here's the thing they're not

1805
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,520
doing half the crap they're being

1806
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,880
accused of

1807
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:08,079
you know

1808
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:09,760
well who's to say

1809
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,799
if some uh gru agent knocked on my door

1810
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:14,400
right now and said hey walter come work

1811
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:16,640
for us i'd say piss off i'm

1812
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,680
you know

1813
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,920
a u.s air force officer farmer go away

1814
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:21,440
you guys know me better than that go

1815
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:24,880
look in my file in moscow you know um

1816
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,680
but but what i'm saying is

1817
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:29,520
we're in a very dangerous time i'm going

1818
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,520
to get into this in the new book

1819
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,920
the public being spun things left and

1820
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,520
right about what country this that and

1821
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,599
the other it's very scary right now and

1822
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:39,280
it's exactly where

1823
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:40,799
this group behind the military

1824
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:43,839
industrial complex wants to keep us

1825
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,559
and um so yeah there's there's other

1826
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:48,720
nations out there that are doing their

1827
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,799
own secret stuff in space

1828
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,880
certain ones not a lot

1829
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:54,640
and i think there's the issue of the

1830
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:57,760
breakaways you know i i think you know

1831
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,359
they're out there of course

1832
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,760
unfortunately because they're

1833
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,079
you know behind you know the rise of our

1834
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:06,559
military industrial complex they've got

1835
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:10,400
their tendrils into our thing

1836
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,200
so

1837
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:13,680
this is part of the problem but there is

1838
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:15,599
hope

1839
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:19,679
it's got to be

1840
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,600
otherwise i mean

1841
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:23,920
there there are so many different levels

1842
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,799
to what is going on out there in regards

1843
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,319
to uh

1844
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,159
our new technologies that are just

1845
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:32,880
popping up left and right and uh the

1846
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,719
space program uh potential alien

1847
01:08:40,590 --> 01:08:38,319
abductions

1848
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:40,600
alien interferences

1849
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,520
interdimensional beings i mean it's so

1850
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,920
much it's like we could talk for weeks

1851
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,239
and we will never touch upon everything

1852
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:50,239
that is known out there or or that

1853
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:51,600
you've experienced or i've experienced

1854
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,839
or others have it's it's deep and it's

1855
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:55,520
like how do we get this message out

1856
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,480
there

1857
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,799
well by doing what we're doing now and

1858
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,239
you know you touched on something there

1859
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:02,000
that in my book

1860
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:04,000
which you've read you know i leave a

1861
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:05,359
whole thing

1862
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,319
kind of open and that is

1863
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:10,480
you know there

1864
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:12,640
there are clues and there's evidence

1865
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,000
this is kind of where the title comes

1866
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,920
from the subtitle lost in the mk ultra

1867
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:17,520
house of anu

1868
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,040
you know i talk about this group of

1869
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:22,719
beings you know

1870
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,400
human but from somewhere else that have

1871
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:28,640
certain interdimensional qualities about

1872
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:31,199
themselves that are in the mix here

1873
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,679
and i don't know to what degree and

1874
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,000
you know i i talk about that in the book

1875
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,159
and you know you're right it amid all

1876
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,799
this nefarious human stuff going on here

1877
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:43,759
on earth

1878
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:46,000
you know we do have these et's we've

1879
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:49,199
also got these others from you know this

1880
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,040
the other dimensional possibility that

1881
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,279
are in the mix a lot going on here and

1882
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:55,600
that's why people get confused and

1883
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,719
that's why

1884
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:58,239
organizations want to know what they're

1885
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:00,840
experiencing and and it scares some

1886
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,360
people um you know

1887
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:05,199
there's

1888
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,880
assigned to take it head on and that's

1889
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,560
that group the collins elite that nick

1890
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,880
redfearn has talked about and written

1891
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:14,960
about woo who i think is a very real

1892
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,750
yeah you've got you know i'm looking at

1893
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,920
your site i want people to have a chance

1894
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:26,080
to check it out so i want you to

1895
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:27,520
tell them what your site is where they

1896
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:31,520
can get all of your books oh well um i

1897
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,000
i'm no longer on amazon kindle only the

1898
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:36,320
disneyland book is at amazon on kindle

1899
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,520
um

1900
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,080
amazon is not good to uh authors and

1901
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:41,600
indie publishers just for the record i

1902
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,800
want to say that

1903
01:10:46,590 --> 01:10:44,640
so i pulled all my books off of them i

1904
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,600
am at lulu.com

1905
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,640
lulu.com where you can get my books

1906
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:50,560
they're a little bit more than kindled

1907
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,199
but they're printed you get a printed

1908
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:55,440
physical book in your hands and uh

1909
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:58,480
that's where you can find all my books i

1910
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:59,360
have a blog

1911
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,270
which i get on there when i can and post

1912
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,600
essays and research related things if

1913
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:08,960
you've never been there there's a whole

1914
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:11,120
bunch there you can scroll back through

1915
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:13,679
time and catch up on it

1916
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,880
my my fun stuff my fiction publishing

1917
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,880
company you can look at the the blog

1918
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,440
there lost continent library at

1919
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,679
blogspot.com

1920
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,199
i'm also on

1921
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:27,520
uh facebook and twitter and i also have

1922
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,159
the walter bosley channel on youtube

1923
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,280
where you can see my curmudgeonly uh

1924
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,960
cranky uh commentary about

1925
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,880
whistleblowers and other things i'm not

1926
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:38,560
always

1927
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:42,960
controlling those hey i like when you

1928
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:46,080
show your teeth i mean it's all good

1929
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:47,760
sometimes you have to

1930
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,960
honestly you do i mean there's

1931
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,560
there's so much to cover and it's like

1932
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,679
and when you're passionate about

1933
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,520
something it really shows and it shows

1934
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,880
when you're you're speaking on this

1935
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,480
topic and we need more people like

1936
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,960
yourself to give a different perspective

1937
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:02,719
and you know you can't

1938
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:04,239
saying even saying you can't swallow

1939
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,760
everything that that people are dishing

1940
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:07,040
out there because

1941
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:08,960
you've been in the mix your family's

1942
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,600
been in the mix and you're like dude no

1943
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,679
that's not right and you know and i like

1944
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:15,679
to remind people i'm an experiencer of

1945
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:19,040
things myself okay i just choose not to

1946
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talk about all of it all the time i when

1947
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when you see me publicly my research and

1948
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,760
stuff i try to be objective i try to

1949
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provide documentary evidence if not that

1950
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,000
historical context and i admit when i'm

1951
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:32,480
speculating i admit when i don't know

1952
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something

1953
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and i didn't even push you on any of it

1954
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i could have totally dug into any of

1955
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,040
your weird experiences i i dig those the

1956
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most of course but

1957
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oh gosh you better and then then it will

1958
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all be the juicy itself experiences

1959
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right right right yeah i will i i'll

1960
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talk about that stuff i just usually

1961
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don't write about it i hear you well i

1962
01:13:02,470 --> 01:12:59,760
mean i wanted to get into you know so

1963
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much that you cover because it is unique

1964
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it is family for you and it is your

1965
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career as well so i mean that that's a a

1966
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,880
rare combo that you don't hear of much

1967
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out there so i i really appreciate you

1968
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uh taking the time to join us this

1969
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evening and

1970
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covering so much

1971
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you really

1972
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cross the spectrum

1973
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i appreciate you having me on i really

1974
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do and i i want your

1975
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more skeptical listeners to know that

1976
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i'm i am not

1977
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the bad guy air force guy i am not the

1978
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bad guy osi guy i'm actually probably

1979
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more their friend than they they realize

1980
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um

1981
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and for the record for all i know osi

1982
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they might hate me now

1983
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yeah

1984
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i was curious

1985
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,040
they might say that darn bosley we wish

1986
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:49,199
he'd shut up he's an embarrassment i

1987
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don't know

1988
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are you speaking anywhere are you gonna

1989
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be doing any any events

1990
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um

1991
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i'm i'm going to a little private

1992
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gathering that i've gone to a couple of

1993
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:02,480
times uh in new mexico i'll be visiting

1994
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joseph farrell um i'll be uh

1995
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possibly uh visiting lynn buchanan

1996
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um

1997
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that's that's kind of a private

1998
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gathering where we put our heads

1999
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together and we you can't go to roswell

2000
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and uh been to roswell once just in that

2001
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capacity as a tourist um no i'm not

2002
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scheduled to be speaking at any event

2003
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but if you guys

2004
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okay all right well thank you once again

2005
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uh walter bosley for joining us and you

2006
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guys we've come to the bottom of another

2007
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awesome program this is a lot of fun as

2008
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always i oh my gosh but remember you

2009
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catch me here every friday at 8 pm

2010
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central 9 p.m eastern you've been